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		<title>By: commonsense</title>
		<link>http://bytesmedia.co.uk/2013/07/08/freedom-on-the-internet/#comment-14351</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I disagree that they are two separate questions. If you are against people walking across the railway tracks, you put up a sign telling them not to do it and fine them if you catch them doing it.
But if you could put up a fence to stop them from doing it in the first place, then you achieve your objective more effectively by prevention.


In the case of child pornography, you have effectively agreed to censor them by arresting them for their activity of &quot;free speech&quot;, but are insisting that the more effective preventative method,i.e. censorship,be off-limits on the basis that freedom of expression must be absolute,despite the fact that you just condoned arresting them for the same action. That is an inconsistent position, just as it would be inconsistent to say it is always wrong to hurt others,yet be in favor of self defense.


I was always a fan of your research into anti-competitive practices,not necessarily your logical process.
However, rms has impressed me for his contribution of gnu software, the gpl, and his well-thought-out logically consistent opinions on software and freedom. If he can&#039;t distance himself clearly from allowing anonymous people exploiting children via pornography on the web, in a logically consistent way, then it would not only remove any influence he hopes to have when he opens his mouth on social or moral issues,he would become a liability as a vocal defender for free software or freedom.


You are the one who exposed Microsoft use of &quot;tech evangelists&quot;(disinformation specialists) to the general public.You know this is an information war,and you saw how the apparent disinformation specialist worked the &quot;free software icon supports child pornography&quot; angle into a debate that had nothing to do with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I disagree that they are two separate questions. If you are against people walking across the railway tracks, you put up a sign telling them not to do it and fine them if you catch them doing it.<br />
But if you could put up a fence to stop them from doing it in the first place, then you achieve your objective more effectively by prevention.</p>
<p>In the case of child pornography, you have effectively agreed to censor them by arresting them for their activity of &#8220;free speech&#8221;, but are insisting that the more effective preventative method,i.e. censorship,be off-limits on the basis that freedom of expression must be absolute,despite the fact that you just condoned arresting them for the same action. That is an inconsistent position, just as it would be inconsistent to say it is always wrong to hurt others,yet be in favor of self defense.</p>
<p>I was always a fan of your research into anti-competitive practices,not necessarily your logical process.<br />
However, rms has impressed me for his contribution of gnu software, the gpl, and his well-thought-out logically consistent opinions on software and freedom. If he can&#8217;t distance himself clearly from allowing anonymous people exploiting children via pornography on the web, in a logically consistent way, then it would not only remove any influence he hopes to have when he opens his mouth on social or moral issues,he would become a liability as a vocal defender for free software or freedom.</p>
<p>You are the one who exposed Microsoft use of &#8220;tech evangelists&#8221;(disinformation specialists) to the general public.You know this is an information war,and you saw how the apparent disinformation specialist worked the &#8220;free software icon supports child pornography&#8221; angle into a debate that had nothing to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: bytesmedia</title>
		<link>http://bytesmedia.co.uk/2013/07/08/freedom-on-the-internet/#comment-14333</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2013 21:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those are two separate questions. There are people who produce child porn and people who access child porn. There are already laws for incarcerating people who produce child porn. It&#039;s molestation. Some people mix all that together with people who refuse to censor child porn (for instance as means of avoiding censorship &lt;em&gt;as a whole&lt;/em&gt;, e.g. for the sake of educating the public as in the case of extreme violence or avoiding the slippery slope of collective &#039;parenting&#039;, where adults prevent other adults from accessing political information of some kind, e.g. racism).

I&#039;m personally against censorship and I always stood behind this principle. Any form of censorship is a power game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are two separate questions. There are people who produce child porn and people who access child porn. There are already laws for incarcerating people who produce child porn. It&#8217;s molestation. Some people mix all that together with people who refuse to censor child porn (for instance as means of avoiding censorship <em>as a whole</em>, e.g. for the sake of educating the public as in the case of extreme violence or avoiding the slippery slope of collective &#8216;parenting&#8217;, where adults prevent other adults from accessing political information of some kind, e.g. racism).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m personally against censorship and I always stood behind this principle. Any form of censorship is a power game.</p>
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		<title>By: commonsense</title>
		<link>http://bytesmedia.co.uk/2013/07/08/freedom-on-the-internet/#comment-14331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[commonsense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2013 20:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All right,then how are you not supporting exploitation of children via pornography, if you support permitting anonymous people to post child pornography on the web?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right,then how are you not supporting exploitation of children via pornography, if you support permitting anonymous people to post child pornography on the web?</p>
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		<title>By: bytesmedia</title>
		<link>http://bytesmedia.co.uk/2013/07/08/freedom-on-the-internet/#comment-14328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bytesmedia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2013 19:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He never &quot;supported child pornography&quot;, he supports Free speech and no censorship; thus, child pornography might not get censored.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He never &#8220;supported child pornography&#8221;, he supports Free speech and no censorship; thus, child pornography might not get censored.</p>
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		<title>By: commonsense</title>
		<link>http://bytesmedia.co.uk/2013/07/08/freedom-on-the-internet/#comment-14327</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[commonsense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2013 18:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a great appreciator of free software/freedom and rms/rss respective contributions,but am realistic enough to recognize that most sensible people may see a valid need for censorship,e.g. child pornography, hate speech, libel.

Secondly,if rms wants to be a political figure,he should really clarify that he is against exploitation of children via pornography,or he will have zero credibility on the public stage.(note the previous rss article on Ubuntu where an apparent disinformation specialist wrote in and implied that rms supported child pornography.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a great appreciator of free software/freedom and rms/rss respective contributions,but am realistic enough to recognize that most sensible people may see a valid need for censorship,e.g. child pornography, hate speech, libel.</p>
<p>Secondly,if rms wants to be a political figure,he should really clarify that he is against exploitation of children via pornography,or he will have zero credibility on the public stage.(note the previous rss article on Ubuntu where an apparent disinformation specialist wrote in and implied that rms supported child pornography.)</p>
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		<title>By: yeahright</title>
		<link>http://bytesmedia.co.uk/2013/07/08/freedom-on-the-internet/#comment-14315</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2013 07:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why does RMS never ever appear to be polite enough to let the people he is having a discourse with finish their sentences? Its very rude.  Even if he often gets what people are talking about before they finish, his interruptions are always sudden, badly timed and never led or followed by an apologetic &#039;sorry&#039;. It&#039;s annoying as hell because a lot of people will be less inclined to listen to a guy that comes off as a JERK.
His rudeness also ensures he is not getting enough social feedback clues... you know people aren&#039;t gonig to correct a tyran when hell just increase his loudness, bite off your sentence and start lecturing you.
It&#039;s too bad, he could have been someone worth listening too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does RMS never ever appear to be polite enough to let the people he is having a discourse with finish their sentences? Its very rude.  Even if he often gets what people are talking about before they finish, his interruptions are always sudden, badly timed and never led or followed by an apologetic &#8216;sorry&#8217;. It&#8217;s annoying as hell because a lot of people will be less inclined to listen to a guy that comes off as a JERK.<br />
His rudeness also ensures he is not getting enough social feedback clues&#8230; you know people aren&#8217;t gonig to correct a tyran when hell just increase his loudness, bite off your sentence and start lecturing you.<br />
It&#8217;s too bad, he could have been someone worth listening too.</p>
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		<title>By: Bytes Media &#8211; Richard Stallman and Freedom on the Internet &#124; Home stuff</title>
		<link>http://bytesmedia.co.uk/2013/07/08/freedom-on-the-internet/#comment-14308</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bytes Media &#8211; Richard Stallman and Freedom on the Internet &#124; Home stuff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2013 02:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard Stallman and Freedom on the Internet &#124; Hallow Demon</title>
		<link>http://bytesmedia.co.uk/2013/07/08/freedom-on-the-internet/#comment-14307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Stallman and Freedom on the Internet &#124; Hallow Demon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2013 02:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bytesmedia</title>
		<link>http://bytesmedia.co.uk/2013/07/08/freedom-on-the-internet/#comment-14306</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bytesmedia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2013 00:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will ask that the next chance we get.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will ask that the next chance we get.</p>
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		<title>By: B.J. Douma</title>
		<link>http://bytesmedia.co.uk/2013/07/08/freedom-on-the-internet/#comment-14305</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B.J. Douma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2013 00:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. Highly interesting.
Is there anybody else you gives a  besides RSS, RMS, and me?
Try to get Richard to talk about flash mobs against the plutocracy.
I hope they&#039;re the thing to come.
Thanks again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Highly interesting.<br />
Is there anybody else you gives a  besides RSS, RMS, and me?<br />
Try to get Richard to talk about flash mobs against the plutocracy.<br />
I hope they&#8217;re the thing to come.<br />
Thanks again.</p>
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